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Hibi wrote: April 29th, 2024, 8:52 am
Love the costumes in that film [EVIL UNDER THE SUN]! (Were they Oscar nominated?)

This is one of the few Christie plots where I figured out whodunit before the end!
1. NO! Which is a terrible shame, I know we've talked about it before- I don't recall the nominees, but I recall there being one or two I would NOT have nominated over the wonderful work in EVIL (especially the use of PRIMARY COLORS)

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2. Yeah, with EVIL UNDER THE SUN, it's notsomuch a "whodunnit" as it is a "how did they do it?"- i wonder if that impacted the BOX OFFICE (it is a similar reveal as in DEATH ON THE NILE]
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I think I also looked for the soundtrack to EVIL UNDER THE SUN back in the 1980's- now that I know COLE PORTER'S work better, I MARVEL at what a MASTERWORK the score is, not only is it wonderfully composed and orchestrated seguing from one song into another like a long suite, it even cleverly inserts some songs at just the right moment, like IN THE STILL OF THE NIGHT sequing into I CONCENTRATE ON YOU as we see POIROT pondering the crime late at night in his room, or how ANTHING GOES plays jauntily as MAGGIE SMITH walks out in silhouette with her wonderful peplum shaking back and forth.
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Lorna wrote: April 29th, 2024, 10:04 am I think I also looked for the soundtrack to EVIL UNDER THE SUN back in the 1980's- now that I know COLE PORTER'S work better, I MARVEL at what a MASTERWORK the score is, not only is it wonderfully composed and orchestrated seguing from one song into another like a long suite, it even cleverly inserts some songs at just the right moment, like IN THE STILL OF THE NIGHT sequing into I CONCENTRATE ON YOU as we see POIROT pondering the crime late at night in his room, or how ANTHING GOES plays jauntily as MAGGIE SMITH walks out in silhouette with her wonderful peplum shaking back and forth.
There's a long history of using scoring cues and diegetic sound like this. One that immediately comes to my mind is in North by Northwest. As Roger O. Thornhill (Cary Grant) enters the Plaza Hotel in the first few minutes of the film, the lobby music is playing "It's a Most Unusual Day"
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Lorna wrote: April 29th, 2024, 9:59 am
Hibi wrote: April 29th, 2024, 8:52 am
Love the costumes in that film [EVIL UNDER THE SUN]! (Were they Oscar nominated?)

This is one of the few Christie plots where I figured out whodunit before the end!
1. NO! Which is a terrible shame, I know we've talked about it before- I don't recall the nominees, but I recall there being one or two I would NOT have nominated over the wonderful work in EVIL (especially the use of PRIMARY COLORS)

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2. Yeah, with EVIL UNDER THE SUN, it's notsomuch a "whodunnit" as it is a "how did they do it?"- i wonder if that impacted the BOX OFFICE (it is a similar reveal as in DEATH ON THE NILE]
I thought NOT! :( Yes, true. It wasn't that hard to guess.
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Lorna wrote: April 29th, 2024, 10:04 am I think I also looked for the soundtrack to EVIL UNDER THE SUN back in the 1980's- now that I know COLE PORTER'S work better, I MARVEL at what a MASTERWORK the score is, not only is it wonderfully composed and orchestrated seguing from one song into another like a long suite, it even cleverly inserts some songs at just the right moment, like IN THE STILL OF THE NIGHT sequing into I CONCENTRATE ON YOU as we see POIROT pondering the crime late at night in his room, or how ANTHING GOES plays jauntily as MAGGIE SMITH walks out in silhouette with her wonderful peplum shaking back and forth.
I remember there was an album of Porter music "inspired by" the music in the film, but it wasn't an actual soundtrack. I remember returning it feeling duped!
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Lorna wrote: April 29th, 2024, 9:59 am
Hibi wrote: April 29th, 2024, 8:52 am
Love the costumes in that film [EVIL UNDER THE SUN]! (Were they Oscar nominated?)

This is one of the few Christie plots where I figured out whodunit before the end!
1. NO! Which is a terrible shame, I know we've talked about it before- I don't recall the nominees, but I recall there being one or two I would NOT have nominated over the wonderful work in EVIL (especially the use of PRIMARY COLORS)

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2. Yeah, with EVIL UNDER THE SUN, it's notsomuch a "whodunnit" as it is a "how did they do it?"- i wonder if that impacted the BOX OFFICE (it is a similar reveal as in DEATH ON THE NILE]
The Five Nominees for Costume Design in 1982 were:

Gandhi***
La Traviata
Sophie's Choice
Tron
Victor/Victoria

Now, I think we can easily say that Gandhi won because it was in a big Oscar sweep, because most of the costumes in that film aren't the most memorable.

Tron is another strange pick, where the nominated outfits are these leotard outfits (enhanced with visual light effects in the editing process), which caused a decided panic with leads Jeff Bridges and Bruce Boxleitner when they found out that the outfits had no pants, which caused a big stir among the female Disney employees whenever the two would go to the commissary for lunch every day.

The other three, I feel, were good picks for the costume category.


Evil Under the Sun did come close to a nomination in a soon to be discontinued category called Song Score (it was shortlisted), but was locked out by the trio of Victor/Victoria (which won), Annie, and One from the Heart.

Peter Ustinov did actually play Poirot on the big screen one more time..... But it is best to forget that one. It was Appointment with Death in 1988, which might have started with a script written by Anthony Shaffer, who wrote both Nile and Evil, but it was mostly re-written by others, and the resultant script wasn't good, coupled with a very bad musical score, and an underutilized cast. For a big Christie fan like me, it was a major disappointment.

For the record, in that film, Poirot was trying to find out who killed off a much hated matriarch (Piper Laurie) with a hypodermic. The suspects included Jenny Seagrove, Carrie Fisher, David Soul, Lauren Bacall, Hayley Mills, and John Gielgud.
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Hibi wrote: April 29th, 2024, 11:22 am
Lorna wrote: April 29th, 2024, 10:04 am I think I also looked for the soundtrack to EVIL UNDER THE SUN back in the 1980's- now that I know COLE PORTER'S work better, I MARVEL at what a MASTERWORK the score is, not only is it wonderfully composed and orchestrated seguing from one song into another like a long suite, it even cleverly inserts some songs at just the right moment, like IN THE STILL OF THE NIGHT sequing into I CONCENTRATE ON YOU as we see POIROT pondering the crime late at night in his room, or how ANTHING GOES plays jauntily as MAGGIE SMITH walks out in silhouette with her wonderful peplum shaking back and forth.
I remember there was an album of Porter music "inspired by" the music in the film, but it wasn't an actual soundtrack. I remember returning it feeling duped!
I rarely say this, but honest-to-God in the right hands, EVIL UNDER THE SUN would make a marvelous musical/comedy.
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DEATHPROOF (2007) Still boring... QT sure is obsessed with ladies' legs and feet... :smiley_huh:

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CinemaInternational wrote: April 29th, 2024, 1:17 pm

The Five Nominees for Costume Design in 1982 were:

Gandhi***
La Traviata
Sophie's Choice
Tron
Victor/Victoria

Now, I think we can easily say that Gandhi won because it was in a big Oscar sweep, because most of the costumes in that film aren't the most memorable.

Evil Under the Sun did come close to a nomination in a soon to be discontinued category called Song Score (it was shortlisted), but was locked out by the trio of Victor/Victoria (which won), Annie, and One from the Heart.

Peter Ustinov did actually play Poirot on the big screen one more time..... But it is best to forget that one. It was Appointment with Death in 1988, which might have started with a script written by Anthony Shaffer, who wrote both Nile and Evil, but it was mostly re-written by others, and the resultant script wasn't good, coupled with a very bad musical score, and an underutilized cast. For a big Christie fan like me, it was a major disappointment.

For the record, in that film, Poirot was trying to find out who killed off a much hated matriarch (Piper Laurie) with a hypodermic. The suspects included Jenny Seagrove, Carrie Fisher, David Soul, Lauren Bacall, Hayley Mills, and John Gielgud.
I dunno, does MERYL STREEP rock a WONDERBREAD-INSPIRED SWIMSUIT in SOPHIE'S CHOICE? Are there MARVELOUS ENORMOUS HATS??? I have not seen it, but I feel like the answer is "no." Honestly, I LOVE VICTOR/VICTORIA, but I think EVIL UNDER THE SUN has better costumes. We're simpatico on GANDHI though....ALTHOUGH IF BEN KINGSLEY WALKED DOWN A STAIRCASE IN AN ENSEMBLE LIKE JANE BIRKIN'S AT THE END OF "EVIL" THE BRITISH WOULD HAVE PULLED OUT IMMEDIATELY.

Thank you for letting me know that about the score almost getting nommed, it really deserved it, more I'd venture to say than ANNIE.

i WILL say that the costumes in ANNIE should have been nominated over GANDHI and SOPHIE'S CHOICE and I dunno maybe TRON too.

Yes, yes, APPOINTMENT WITH DEATH...I remember coming across is on HBO in the late 80s and being excited and...eesh.

I do remember thinking PIPER LAURIE was SUPERB THOUGH.
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Lorna wrote: April 29th, 2024, 1:39 pm
CinemaInternational wrote: April 29th, 2024, 1:17 pm

The Five Nominees for Costume Design in 1982 were:

Gandhi***
La Traviata
Sophie's Choice
Tron
Victor/Victoria

Now, I think we can easily say that Gandhi won because it was in a big Oscar sweep, because most of the costumes in that film aren't the most memorable.

Evil Under the Sun did come close to a nomination in a soon to be discontinued category called Song Score (it was shortlisted), but was locked out by the trio of Victor/Victoria (which won), Annie, and One from the Heart.

Peter Ustinov did actually play Poirot on the big screen one more time..... But it is best to forget that one. It was Appointment with Death in 1988, which might have started with a script written by Anthony Shaffer, who wrote both Nile and Evil, but it was mostly re-written by others, and the resultant script wasn't good, coupled with a very bad musical score, and an underutilized cast. For a big Christie fan like me, it was a major disappointment.

For the record, in that film, Poirot was trying to find out who killed off a much hated matriarch (Piper Laurie) with a hypodermic. The suspects included Jenny Seagrove, Carrie Fisher, David Soul, Lauren Bacall, Hayley Mills, and John Gielgud.
I dunno, does MERYL STREEP rock a WONDERBREAD-INSPIRED SWIMSUIT in SOPHIE'S CHOICE? Are there MARVELOUS ENORMOUS HATS??? I have not seen it, but I feel like the answer is "no." Honestly, I LOVE VICTOR/VICTORIA, but I think EVIL UNDER THE SUN has better costumes. We're simpatico on GANDHI though....ALTHOUGH IF BEN KINGSLEY WALKED DOWN A STAIRCASE IN AN ENSEMBLE LIKE JANE BIRKIN'S AT THE END OF "EVIL" THE BRITISH WOULD HAVE PULLED OUT IMMEDIATELY.

Thank you for letting me know that about the score almost getting nommed, it really deserved it, more I'd venture to say than ANNIE.

i WILL say that the costumes in ANNIE should have been nominated over GANDHI and SOPHIE'S CHOICE and I dunno maybe TRON too.

Yes, yes, APPOINTMENT WITH DEATH...I remember coming across is on HBO in the late 80s and being excited and...eesh.

I do remember thinking PIPER LAURIE was SUPERB THOUGH.

Who could forget Ghandi??? Love those loincloths! Undeserved win, even nomination!
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Lorna wrote: April 29th, 2024, 1:39 pm
CinemaInternational wrote: April 29th, 2024, 1:17 pm

The Five Nominees for Costume Design in 1982 were:

Gandhi***
La Traviata
Sophie's Choice
Tron
Victor/Victoria

Now, I think we can easily say that Gandhi won because it was in a big Oscar sweep, because most of the costumes in that film aren't the most memorable.

Evil Under the Sun did come close to a nomination in a soon to be discontinued category called Song Score (it was shortlisted), but was locked out by the trio of Victor/Victoria (which won), Annie, and One from the Heart.

Peter Ustinov did actually play Poirot on the big screen one more time..... But it is best to forget that one. It was Appointment with Death in 1988, which might have started with a script written by Anthony Shaffer, who wrote both Nile and Evil, but it was mostly re-written by others, and the resultant script wasn't good, coupled with a very bad musical score, and an underutilized cast. For a big Christie fan like me, it was a major disappointment.

For the record, in that film, Poirot was trying to find out who killed off a much hated matriarch (Piper Laurie) with a hypodermic. The suspects included Jenny Seagrove, Carrie Fisher, David Soul, Lauren Bacall, Hayley Mills, and John Gielgud.
I dunno, does MERYL STREEP rock a WONDERBREAD-INSPIRED SWIMSUIT in SOPHIE'S CHOICE? Are there MARVELOUS ENORMOUS HATS??? I have not seen it, but I feel like the answer is "no." Honestly, I LOVE VICTOR/VICTORIA, but I think EVIL UNDER THE SUN has better costumes. We're simpatico on GANDHI though....ALTHOUGH IF BEN KINGSLEY WALKED DOWN A STAIRCASE IN AN ENSEMBLE LIKE JANE BIRKIN'S AT THE END OF "EVIL" THE BRITISH WOULD HAVE PULLED OUT IMMEDIATELY.

Thank you for letting me know that about the score almost getting nommed, it really deserved it, more I'd venture to say than ANNIE.

i WILL say that the costumes in ANNIE should have been nominated over GANDHI and SOPHIE'S CHOICE and I dunno maybe TRON too.

Yes, yes, APPOINTMENT WITH DEATH...I remember coming across is on HBO in the late 80s and being excited and...eesh.

I do remember thinking PIPER LAURIE was SUPERB THOUGH.
I never saw the movie version (didn't get much of a release) I did see the Mystery version on PBS's Poirot,which has been rerun to death. (I dont think there have been new episodes on Mystery in well over a decade). One reason among many I never pledge!!! Not one of Christie's best. (Death)
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Hibi wrote: April 29th, 2024, 2:30 pm
Lorna wrote: April 29th, 2024, 1:39 pm
CinemaInternational wrote: April 29th, 2024, 1:17 pm

The Five Nominees for Costume Design in 1982 were:

Gandhi***
La Traviata
Sophie's Choice
Tron
Victor/Victoria

Now, I think we can easily say that Gandhi won because it was in a big Oscar sweep, because most of the costumes in that film aren't the most memorable.

Evil Under the Sun did come close to a nomination in a soon to be discontinued category called Song Score (it was shortlisted), but was locked out by the trio of Victor/Victoria (which won), Annie, and One from the Heart.

Peter Ustinov did actually play Poirot on the big screen one more time..... But it is best to forget that one. It was Appointment with Death in 1988, which might have started with a script written by Anthony Shaffer, who wrote both Nile and Evil, but it was mostly re-written by others, and the resultant script wasn't good, coupled with a very bad musical score, and an underutilized cast. For a big Christie fan like me, it was a major disappointment.

For the record, in that film, Poirot was trying to find out who killed off a much hated matriarch (Piper Laurie) with a hypodermic. The suspects included Jenny Seagrove, Carrie Fisher, David Soul, Lauren Bacall, Hayley Mills, and John Gielgud.
I dunno, does MERYL STREEP rock a WONDERBREAD-INSPIRED SWIMSUIT in SOPHIE'S CHOICE? Are there MARVELOUS ENORMOUS HATS??? I have not seen it, but I feel like the answer is "no." Honestly, I LOVE VICTOR/VICTORIA, but I think EVIL UNDER THE SUN has better costumes. We're simpatico on GANDHI though....ALTHOUGH IF BEN KINGSLEY WALKED DOWN A STAIRCASE IN AN ENSEMBLE LIKE JANE BIRKIN'S AT THE END OF "EVIL" THE BRITISH WOULD HAVE PULLED OUT IMMEDIATELY.

Thank you for letting me know that about the score almost getting nommed, it really deserved it, more I'd venture to say than ANNIE.

i WILL say that the costumes in ANNIE should have been nominated over GANDHI and SOPHIE'S CHOICE and I dunno maybe TRON too.

Yes, yes, APPOINTMENT WITH DEATH...I remember coming across is on HBO in the late 80s and being excited and...eesh.

I do remember thinking PIPER LAURIE was SUPERB THOUGH.
I never saw the movie version (didn't get much of a release) I did see the Mystery version on PBS's Poirot,which has been rerun to death. (I dont think there have been new episodes on Mystery in well over a decade). One reason among many I never pledge!!! Not one of Christie's best. (Death)
Yes, the Poirot series ended its run in the US in 2014, several months after it reached its terminus in England, having made episodes of each and every one of Agatha's poirot novels and short stories.
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They've started showing Miss Marple ones before Poirot now. I've seen many of those (with McEwen and Julia MacKenzie at least), but it's been awhile so I don't remember them well). I've never seen the original (her name escapes me) which is considered the best one. So unlike Margaret Rutherford's lowbrow version.
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Hibi wrote: April 29th, 2024, 2:26 pm
Lorna wrote: April 29th, 2024, 1:39 pm
CinemaInternational wrote: April 29th, 2024, 1:17 pm

The Five Nominees for Costume Design in 1982 were:

Gandhi***
La Traviata
Sophie's Choice
Tron
Victor/Victoria

Now, I think we can easily say that Gandhi won because it was in a big Oscar sweep, because most of the costumes in that film aren't the most memorable.

Evil Under the Sun did come close to a nomination in a soon to be discontinued category called Song Score (it was shortlisted), but was locked out by the trio of Victor/Victoria (which won), Annie, and One from the Heart.

Peter Ustinov did actually play Poirot on the big screen one more time..... But it is best to forget that one. It was Appointment with Death in 1988, which might have started with a script written by Anthony Shaffer, who wrote both Nile and Evil, but it was mostly re-written by others, and the resultant script wasn't good, coupled with a very bad musical score, and an underutilized cast. For a big Christie fan like me, it was a major disappointment.

For the record, in that film, Poirot was trying to find out who killed off a much hated matriarch (Piper Laurie) with a hypodermic. The suspects included Jenny Seagrove, Carrie Fisher, David Soul, Lauren Bacall, Hayley Mills, and John Gielgud.
I dunno, does MERYL STREEP rock a WONDERBREAD-INSPIRED SWIMSUIT in SOPHIE'S CHOICE? Are there MARVELOUS ENORMOUS HATS??? I have not seen it, but I feel like the answer is "no." Honestly, I LOVE VICTOR/VICTORIA, but I think EVIL UNDER THE SUN has better costumes. We're simpatico on GANDHI though....ALTHOUGH IF BEN KINGSLEY WALKED DOWN A STAIRCASE IN AN ENSEMBLE LIKE JANE BIRKIN'S AT THE END OF "EVIL" THE BRITISH WOULD HAVE PULLED OUT IMMEDIATELY.

Thank you for letting me know that about the score almost getting nommed, it really deserved it, more I'd venture to say than ANNIE.

i WILL say that the costumes in ANNIE should have been nominated over GANDHI and SOPHIE'S CHOICE and I dunno maybe TRON too.

Yes, yes, APPOINTMENT WITH DEATH...I remember coming across is on HBO in the late 80s and being excited and...eesh.

I do remember thinking PIPER LAURIE was SUPERB THOUGH.

Who could forget Ghandi??? Love those loincloths! Undeserved win, even nomination!
Gandhi really didn't have the most memorable costumes, but likely was nominated and won because of the big Oscar sweep it was on.

As I said above, I think La Traviata, Victor/Victoria, and Sophie's Choise were valid nominations. And in addition to Evil Under the Sun, the following could have made a play for a nomination: Hammett, A Midsummer night's Sex Comedy, Five Days One Summer, Frances, Annie, Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid, Cannery Row. Plaid was Edith Head's final film.
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Hibi wrote: April 29th, 2024, 2:37 pm They've started showing Miss Marple ones before Poirot now. I've seen many of those (with McEwen and Julia MacKenzie at least), but it's been awhile so I don't remember them well). I've never seen the original (her name escapes me) which is considered the best one. So unlike Margaret Rutherford's lowbrow version.
Joan Hickson was the first BBC Marple in the 1980s. ironically, she had had a small part as a screaming maid in Rutherford's first Marple offering, Murder She Said, in 1961. Lowbrow or not, I loved Margaret Rutherford as Miss Marple.


Angela Lansbury played Miss Marple in 1980 in The Mirror Crack'd, but that ironically was the Christie story where Marple had to have her nephew (played by Edward Fox) do the interrogating because she was laid up with a broken ankle. So, more time in that film was spent with the nephew and the suspects than with Miss Marple. Of course though, everything else in that film was secondary compared to the catfight scene for the ages between the two 50s divas.

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