Re: Dracula
Posted: October 23rd, 2011, 9:50 am
Kev, that's the scariest avatar yet....Boris looks like he really enjoys being a girl.......
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Whew! I'm glad 'cuz it didn't load up properly for me at first. And creepy? Hmmm...I wasn't creeped out in the least.MichiganJ wrote:Yes, it plays fine. Thanks for the link. Even out of context, the scene is sexy and creepy.
One of the most interesting things for me about Dracula's Daughter, is that, at least for classic horror, this is one time where a female is the "monster", and it allows me to, at least somewhat, understand the push-me pull-you attraction that the ladies had (have) for Bela and other vampires. Even with that stare (creepy, to me, at least), I'd have a hard time not offering up my neck to Gloria.CineMaven wrote:Whew! I'm glad 'cuz it didn't load up properly for me at first. And creepy? Hmmm...I wasn't creeped out in the least.
[b][u]MichiganJ[/u][/b] wrote:Maven...At the moment, I'm focusing on Dracula films in particular, but a new Vampire Films thread sounds good to me. I've watched a couple of really unusual vampire films recently.
Aaaah! As you should.One of the most interesting things for me about Dracula's Daughter, is that, at least for classic horror, this is one time where a female is the "monster", and it allows me to, at least somewhat, understand the push-me pull-you attraction that the ladies had (have) for Bela and other vampires. Even with that stare (creepy, to me, at least), I'd have a hard time not offering up my neck to Gloria.
Whaddya gonna do? A man wrote the story of Dracula. There's probably some anxiety putting men in a position of weakness especially if the Vampire is a woman. She's still "just a woman." (Please read that with a facetious inflection, thankyouverymuch!) As for the victim still being female...well I suspect this is a way for those Victorian ladies reading this novel, to "submit" without feeling guilt or being stigmatized back in 1897. I've got "DRACULA's DAUGHTER" on order at Barnes & Noble. I'll bring it to my local bar on Friday nite in honor of Halloween. The crowd won't be into a black and white movie, so if I'm about to be tarred and feathered...I'll have Francis Ford Coppola's DRACULA (they like color) waiting in the wings.It's too bad that the "victim" is still female in the film (I'm thinking about the kidnapped secretary), but that fits with the homoerotic theme. Remember how nonchalant Gloria was dispatching the dude. He was just dinner. Lili, well, she was dessert.
The Hunger is a particular favorite of mine and I would gladly be the Renfield to Deneuve's vampire. (Trivia: The Hunger is Bessie Love's--star of the original The Lost World--final film.)CineMaven wrote:If I might beg your indulgence for a moment, might I offer up Catherine Deneuve in "The Hunger" if you do start a VAMPIRE thread.
I try not to say anything is unequivably first in regards to film. Usually I try to qualify the thoughts by saying "one of the first", which I did earlier in the brief review of the film.CineMaven wrote:Would you unequivocably say that this is the first time a woman IS the monster in Movies?
Stoker's description of Dracula (via Harker's Journal):CineMaven wrote:Of course the vampire's got to be a handsome devil for women to be attracted to him. (Can you see Abe Vigoda as "Dracula"? Naaaah, that doesn't work for my fantasy)
While allegedly based on a chapter that was left out of the novel and later released as the short story, "Dracula's Guest", Dracula's Daughter is really more of an invention of the various screenplay writers at Universal and kept many of the conventions that are original to the various plays based on Dracula, rather than the novel itself. All, indeed, written by men.CineMaven wrote:Whaddya gonna do? A man wrote the story of Dracula. There's probably some anxiety putting men in a position of weakness especially if the Vampire is a woman. She's still "just a woman." (Please read that with a facetious inflection, thankyouverymuch!) As for the victim still being female...well I suspect this is a way for those Victorian ladies reading this novel, to "submit" without feeling guilt or being stigmatized back in 1897. I've got "DRACULA's DAUGHTER" on order at Barnes & Noble. I'll bring it to my local bar on Friday nite in honor of Halloween. The crowd won't be into a black and white movie, so if I'm about to be tarred and feathered...I'll have Francis Ford Coppola's DRACULA (they like color) waiting in the wings.
Thanks Nancy. It's a test that makeup artist Jack Pierce was working on for the proposed sequel to The Bride of Frankenstein called The Revenge of Frankenstein's Mother-in-Law. Karloff was supposed to play both the monster and Clementine, his mother-in law.knitwit45 wrote:Kev, that's the scariest avatar yet....Boris looks like he really enjoys being a girl.......
MichiganJ wrote:It's a test that makeup artist Jack Pierce was working on for the proposed sequel to The Bride of Frankenstein called The Revenge of Frankenstein's Mother-in-Law. Karloff was supposed to play both the monster and Clementine, his mother-in law.
Universal was hoping to start a new franchise with Clementine Frankenstein, sort of a sinister Ma & Pa Kettle series, and none other than Orson Welles was eager to direct. But Welles wanted to rewrite the screenplay and for some reason insisted on making the Monster Mexican.kingme wrote:One part Creepy, One part Scary, and one part ZOMBIE;
Whadd'ya mean? There's one right here:CineMaven wrote:...[/b] if you do start a VAMPIRE thread.
Whoaaaa...okay. I'll go and check it out.Mr. Arkadin wrote:Whadd'ya mean? There's one right here: http://silverscreenoasis.com/oasis3/vie ... =24&t=1106. Some shlep even mentions The Hunger.
P.S. I've seen a lot more vampire films since 2007.
I see it. Okay. Interesting. Bowie was great in "The Hunger." I liked when he was waiting to see Sarandon in her office. She said she'd be right back, but she kept him waiting...and he started to age right then and there. I liked his reaction to her when she finally came back. But you turn it off after he's gone? Naaaaah. Deneuve and Sarandon carry the movie....Blood and Roses (1961) was a film that had similar origins to Vampyr, (the novel Carmilla), but is much truer to the book. The Hunger (1983) is an interesting film along similar female lines, but in my opinion the best thing about that film is David Bowie's performance (which is astounding!) when he leaves the film I usually turn it off.