Re: Summer Under the Stars: August 2012 Schedule
Posted: August 19th, 2012, 9:26 am
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I know, Brother Rat. Luckily I have an imagination to dwell in when reality gets to be a bore, bore, bore ( as Kate might say. ) I’ve also read, probably apocryphally, that Crawford made a pass at Davis too, that wasn’t appreciated. Well...Bette was a cute little thing back in the 30’s.[u][color=#4080BF]KING[/u][/color] [u][color=#4080BF]RAT[/color][/u] wrote:Maven, as much as I love your idea, I do not believe it could ever have happened. Only in heaven...
Glad to see something well-researched, and balanced on her. If I ever pick up a book again...I’ll have to remember to take your suggestion. My attention span these days wallows inside a thimble.You might enjoy William J. Mann's well-researched biography of Hepburn...
OMG. Hilarious. No I can’t sing the song of love myself. I’ve felt nothing for that movie or "DESK SET" or any of those middling 50’s comedies of Cary Grant with Loren or Caron. Nothing worse than not laughing, chuckling, or cracking a smile at a comedy and I love Cary. But those leave me cold. ( Why do I believe Cary as a dad, grifter or secret agent, though? ) I agree with you Madame Finnie, when you say Kate does not radiate maternity. Luckily I don’t need her for that. There are others that do the radiation where I can go to for my CineMommy fix. For Kate, I love her strength and independence in a time where that piece of life’s pie might have been sorely lacking in many women with few options. It’s kind of still a little bit hard for me to imagine that an unmarried woman was seen as an odd thing...her "real life" on hold until she got married. Society’s pressures are so enormous.[u][color=#4040BF]MOIRA[/color][/u] [u][color=#4040BF]FINNIE[/color][/u] wrote:After watching Katharine Hepburn in Song of Love (1947-Clarence Brown) this morning, I decided that: 1.) Kate never radiated anything maternal, despite playing the mother of...2.) The last time my scalp hurt this much from watching a movie was when I checked out Patty McCormack's pigtails in The Bad Seed. Hepburn's Clara Schumann wore her hair scraped back and up into a tight chignon that had to have given her a headache. It certainly gave me one...
Hey there Georgy Girl!!! Kate’s “SUMMERTIME” performance is amazing. ( I’d relish a separate conversation about ‘tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved before; I'm conflicted about that. ) I never found Kate sexy until that movie. I mean, I find her strength and all that sexy and I've always liked her, but in “Summertime” I found her to be sexy in that traditional sexual way of being sexy. I’m so glad to see you are a fan of Hepburn’s. She probably knew herself well enough to know she wouldn’t be convincing as a Mum. But I would love to know the conversation she had about doing “DRAGON SEED.” THAT one is beyond me .[u][color=#804000]CHARLIE[/color][/u] [u][color=#804000]CHAPLIN[/color][/u] [u][color=#804000]FAN[/color][/u] wrote:I read Mann's book on Katharine Hepburn, it made me view her differently but no less fondly...Kate is one of my favourite actresses and icons but I agree with all of you, there are roles she falls short in and they are usually the roles of mother and/or romantic lover, the exception to me is The Lion in Winter and Summertime, I think that's because the children are men. The roles she did do well are amongst my favourite...I'm glad TCM gave her a day, there's a heck of a body of work out there for her, I hope they chose well.
Im-a-ni-ma-ma-ma-gi-naaaaay-tion! Okay, let’s write a screenplay of this Diva Summit meeting. Who’ll take on Kate? Who’ll take Stanwyck? And who’ll write Bette? ( But ev'ryone must promise NOT to make a pass at her! )[u]JACK[/u] [u]FAVELL[/u] wrote:I LOVE the idea of the BIG THREE having a girls night out! I am with you all the way, Maven, imagining what might have been said and the dynamics changing within the group at every moment.
I hear ya. I’m almost certain she had fears and/or doubts...she was human. I’m sure she had a feminine side too. We’ve seen bits of it in “Summertime” or cuddling up to Tracy, being even a bit subservient well, perhaps I should say, deferring to him. She was probably strong at the studio and with Louis B. or her directors, and then sat at Tracy’s feet, bringing him whiskey-laced coffee at home. You’ve seen male bosses. They’re tigers in the boardroom and kitty kats in the at home.The older I get the more interesting Kate gets. Here is a woman who, by her own report had no fear, and yet..... and yet.... there is something in Kate that always makes me wonder about that...Something does not jibe for me with this image she very carefully projected of herself, of not having a weakness, or a docile feminine side...
You are not alone in that at all, Jaxxx. We gravitate to role models that have the “stuff” we ( think ) we lack. Kate seemed so sure of herself, and seems like the type to try and figure out WHY a thing didn’t work without busting out crying ( like I would...WAH!I see her so differently now than I did when I was young. When I was young, Hepburn was my ideal role model. I wanted to be an actress...Kate was the definition of an ACTRESS. Fearless, wearing pants, stalking her roles like a big game hunter and always having the last laugh, winning even in losing...She was bold and strong and didn't care what people thought, so the story goes. I wanted to be her so badly, probably because I did care and did not fell I had power over my own life.
I like when that happens. I like when I see a thing when I was a kid and then, see it now, as an adult. “The Thing” seems to change, when it’s really a measure of my own growth. That’s very astute of you to see that Kate, this strong, kickass woman...picks the types of men she picked. That says so much about her, doesn’t it. Our choices sure say a lot about us. ( Ohhhhhhhhhhkay...so movies are the only way I can tell if I'm growing up! )But now, when I watch her, I can't help but see a very different Kate. I think of her romances with Howard Hughes, John Ford and Spencer Tracy. These relationships are not those of a strong willed, self assured woman. Why did she continually fall for married men, or gifted men with deep seated problems?
I’m with you on that score. Perhaps the ACTING that Kate did was to hide that small person inside her; cover it up with the bravado of the New Kind Of Woman....I'm sorry but no one is that good an actress that they can portray an emotion that they've never had...I see a hurt, small person inside that huge Hepburn image. A woman who is afraid.
Mommma! Your whole paragraph, Wendy...whew! I think you’ve hit on the secret to watching Hepburn...or a pretty damned good theory at least. Lerve it.So these performances, my favorites actually, are really a window for me, into the soft side of Hepburn that I think has existed all this time and that was hidden most certainly from the public, possibly from friends and acquaintances too. A side that was weak and desperate to be noticed, to be loved...My goodness, all her great roles have this dichotomy, a scared woman in a mask worn for the public. Stage Door, Sylvia Scarlett, The Philadelphia Story, Pat and Mike, Long Day's Journey Into Night..... Isn't this a glimpse into the real Hepburn?
Well why do you actresses want to become actresses? ( This goes for directors also... ) Isn’t Acting a safe place to work out some issues? It's sure way cheaper than lying on the couch paying a psychiatrist $100 bucks an hour. On a movie set or stage, you can work out your issues, and get paid to boot. Win-Win!!And this is what I find fascinating in Hepburn, arguably her best roles are as women who have recreated themselves, put on a front, and are dealing with one shot at a different life of their choosing. Will they make the mistake and remain as they are? I get a strong feeling that Kate identifies with these women the most. Why?
Okay. It’s settled. You take on the Kate persona for our blockbuster script. ( We're in the monaaaay... )kingrat, thanks very much. I've been thinking about Hepburn's buried vulnerability for a long time but the thought never really crystallized until very recently. It's what I like best about her, and not too many people ever mention it.
You’re making me want to check out the movie Wendy. I’ve never really truly significantly been able to sit through it. But you’ve given me the hook to watching her in it. ( Uhmmm...did Pappy have a fling with Kate? I’m shocked and chagrined. And if so, does April know about this?!!!! )I watched her performance this morning in Mary of Scotland, and found it unutterably sad. The movie does not work, but has some things going for it...Mary is really not much different from you or I, just a woman, but also just a pawn to bring Scotland to it's knees. She is pushed this way or that, by men and a woman who would have her throne for themselves, and who think her stupid. Except she's not, she's simply an open book that anyone can read, even her enemies. This woman is no queen. Certainly when you compare her to Eleanor of Aquitaine....
No ma’am...I do not think you are a party of one.I actually think Bette and Joan still had IT throughout most of their later careers, but I am probably the only one.
That's a formidable task, it's one thing to write a play about Marilyn and Albert Einstein, but THESE THREE? Ay yi yi! Each so distinctive and EVERYBODY KNOWS THEM SO WELL.Im-a-ni-ma-ma-ma-gi-naaaaay-tion! Okay, let’s write a screenplay of this Diva Summit meeting. Who’ll take on Kate? Who’ll take Stanwyck? And who’ll write Bette? ( But ev'ryone must promise NOT to make a pass at her! )
Yes, that deferential Kate, she's the one who kept intriguing me. So different from what you would think she'd be like.I hear ya. I’m almost certain she had fears and/or doubts...she was human. I’m sure she had a feminine side too. We’ve seen bits of it in “Summertime” or cuddling up to Tracy, being even a bit subservient well, perhaps I should say, deferring to him. She was probably strong at the studio and with Louis B. or her directors, and then sat at Tracy’s feet, bringing him whiskey-laced coffee at home. You’ve seen male bosses. They’re tigers in the boardroom and kitty kats in the at home.
You and me both. Every time I used to do a play, during the second week of rehearsals I'd be wondering what the heck made me think I could actually act.You are not alone in that at all, Jaxxx. We gravitate to role models that have the “stuff” we ( think ) we lack. Kate seemed so sure of herself, and seems like the type to try and figure out WHY a thing didn’t work without busting out crying ( like I would...WAH!)
I like that too. I feel I have come all the way around to the opposite view of her, based on my experiences growing up and observing human nature.I like when that happens. I like when I see a thing when I was a kid and then, see it now, as an adult. “The Thing” seems to change, when it’s really a measure of my own growth. That’s very astute of you to see that Kate, this strong, kickass woman...picks the types of men she picked. That says so much about her, doesn’t it. Our choices sure say a lot about us. ( Ohhhhhhhhhhkay...so movies are the only way I can tell if I'm growing up! )
I’m with you on that score. Perhaps the ACTING that Kate did was to hide that small person inside her; cover it up with the bravado of the New Kind Of Woman.
This is another thing about Kate I can't quite reconcile. Most actors and actresses are driven by something in childhood, have something deep seated to work out by acting. They want to escape themselves or they want to escape a dreary, normal life. Why would Kate be an actress if she was so damned strong? The answer is, she wasn't. She was vulnerable and had issues in her childhood that she was probably supposed to turn an blind eye to, have the appearance of getting over but never really did. Frankly, this was another thing that always bothered me about her... that episode in her youth with her brother must have been a life shattering event. It's never apparent in her actions that it was such. More power to her that she was able to function on such a high level, but it has to have affected her deeply, deeply.Well why do you actresses want to become actresses? ( This goes for directors also... ) Isn’t Acting a safe place to work out some issues? It's sure way cheaper than lying on the couch paying a psychiatrist $100 bucks an hour. On a movie set or stage, you can work out your issues, and get paid to boot. Win-Win!!
Whoa! wait a minute....Okay. It’s settled. You take on the Kate persona for our blockbuster script. ( We're in the monaaaay... )
Oh don't get me wrong, it was a tough watch. I had a hard time paying attention. The movie LOOKS fabulous though. And Kate is filmed beautifully... talk about feminine!You’re making me want to check out the movie Wendy. I’ve never really truly significantly been able to sit through it. But you’ve given me the hook to watching her in it. ( Uhmmm...did Pappy have a fling with Kate? I’m shocked and chagrined. And if so, does April know about this?!!!! )
I actually think Bette and Joan still had IT throughout most of their later careers, but I am probably the only one.
Whew. Didn't want to be out there on the mountaintop all alone.No ma’am...I do not think you are a party of one.
It takes some strength and chutzpah, internal fortitude and, frankly, some balls to be a Queen; whether it’s a queen in movies, or in music or art or business. Bette Davis said, “you have to dare to be hated.” Look, I ain’t talkin’ about Snooki or Paris or any form of Kardashian. These are girls with very little talent. One can be famous overnight for walking into a mall fountain while Tweeting. ( Hmm...that gives me an idea on how to be famous, myself. ) Much of fame and talent today is empty and judged by how many hits you get or if Tommy Lee can videotape you in a compromising position. What it takes to be a Queen is not probably something your Mom and Dad can teach you per se. Perhaps they can give you pieces of it...a foundation, a good healthy respect of Self, self-reliance. But you probably make your own way...sort of raise your self through trial and error and a certain amount of fearlessness. Ha...or a certain amount OF fear.
I definitely look at Hepburn through my own lens here. Someone reading could very easily think I'm on crack for talking about her like this. But it's how I see her and that's all I am saying.Many look at Hepburn through their own lens. I doubt men, in general, pay attention to her; boys have so many heroes of their own already and she probably wasn’t sexy enough for them to really pay attention to in that visceral way they do.
ABSOLUTELY.But I think this triumvirate of divas and much of their filmography is worth a looksee for any little girl today.( Hepburn: May 12th, 1907 ) ( Stanwyck: July 16th, 1907 ) ( Davis: April 5th, 1908 )