I Just Watched...

[dianedebuda]

As for Holden and Diane, there are numerous big name shows I either haven't seen or don't like. I barely know Seinfeld or Big Bang Theory. Okay, The Simpsons too.

Another trifecta for me! Haven't seen any of those 3 either. Probably 'cause I mostly don't like sitcoms or animated stuff.

[Bronxgirl48]

Me with the Dateline: Secrets Uncovered episodes!
Husband decides to treat wifey to a reconciliation picnic (they've been talking divorce throughout their long marriage but now she's serious about it) atop a cliff. They celebrate with wine, cheese and crackers. She stands up then falls over the edge to her death. Police later look into the picnic basket and find a hammer among the crumbs.

[CinemaInternational]

When it comes to talking TV shows, I can divide my personal experience into three camps. If it is not listed in the three groups, then I don't feel sure enough to discuss it.

The first group here are shows that I have seen most to all of the episodes:
Peyton Place
The Waltons
Knots Landing
Dynasty
Cagney and Lacey
Remington Steele
St. Elsewhere
Scarecrow and Mrs. King
Murder, She Wrote
Moonlighting
The Golden Girls
L.A. Law
thirtysomething
China Beach
Twin Peaks
Cop Rock
Homefront
Brooklyn Bridge
My So-Called life
Providence
Desperate Housewives
Pushing Daisies
Downton Abbey
The Gilded Age

The second group are shows that I have watched the equivalent of at least a season of (and sometimes more, as in the ones with italics):
That Girl
The Mary Tyler Moore Show (I haven't seen too much of the seasons after Rhoda left)
The Bob Newhart Show
The Rockford Files
Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman
Family
Laverne and Shirley
The Muppet Show
Three's Company
Lou Grant
Taxi
Dallas
Falcon Crest
Newhart
Designing Women
Matlock
The Wonder Years
Roseanne
Murphy Brown
Father Dowling Mysteries
Poirot
The Simpsons
Road to Avonlea
Northern Exposure
Sisters
Picket Fences
Frasier
NYPD Blue
The Nanny
ER
Murder One
The Practice
Ally McBeal
Gilmore Girls
Boston Legal
Ugly Betty
Castle
Body of Proof
Call the Midwife
Feud

The third group is the ones that I watched enough to know the lay of the land:
I Love Lucy
The Donna Reed Show
The Dick Van Dyke Show
Bewitched
Green Acres
Mission: Impossible
The Carol Burnett Show
Julia
The Streets of San Francisco
Little House on the Prairie
Ellery Queen Mysteries
Charlie's Angels
The Love Boat
Hart to Hart
Hill Street Blues
Cheers
Family Ties
Dynasty II: The Colbys
Spencer: For Hire
Evening Shade
Berverly Hills 90210
Touched by an Angel
Alias
The Middle
Big Sky
Abbott Elementary

[CinemaInternational]

Well Hibi, maybe other edits were made.
With all the ads on Hallmark Mystery or Great American Family, a 47 minute show probably gets some reductions.
As for Holden and Diane, there are numerous big name shows I either haven't seen or don't like.
I barely know Seinfeld or Big Bang Theory.
Okay, The Simpsons too.

I've never even seen an episode of The big Bang Theory. I did see a handful of Seinfelds, but not many although I liked two of them: one with Bette Midler and one involving a character's visceral hatred for The English Patient (which I thought was a wonderful film, but I liked the episode because I know what it is like to hate a film that others are praising to the nines).

[CinemaInternational]

Speaking of Murder, She Wrote, I saw the Snow White, Blood Red episode yesterday. One of my favorites with a great twist at the end! Jessica snowed in at a ski lodge with a killer on the loose!

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0653616/

And it turned out to be an unedited version. Apparently when I saw it on other stations they cut most of the blood out on the second killing. I'd forgotten how grisly it originally was.

It's definitely the bluntest episode of the whole run of the show when it comes to violence. I am shocked in a way that the network actually allowed them to air it. (The other network showing Murder She Wrote last night was showing a later episode, The Dying Game, that had a nasty death scene though as well: death by crossbow with them actually showing the big arrow making the moment of impact in the victim's chest. )

[Hibi]

Speaking of Murder, She Wrote, I saw the Snow White, Blood Red episode yesterday. One of my favorites with a great twist at the end! Jessica snowed in at a ski lodge with a killer on the loose!

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0653616/

And it turned out to be an unedited version. Apparently when I saw it on other stations they cut most of the blood out on the second killing. I'd forgotten how grisly it originally was.

It's definitely the bluntest episode of the whole run of the show when it comes to violence. I am shocked in a way that the network actually allowed them to air it. (The other network showing Murder She Wrote last night was showing a later episode, The Dying Game, that had a nasty death scene though as well: death by crossbow with them actually showing the big arrow making the moment of impact in the victim's chest. )

Yeah, I hadn't realized I'd been seeing the edited version all these years until I watched it yesterday. They cut about 5 or so seconds of the blood dripping down. A lot more gore than the usual MSW murder where you didn't even see any blood most of the time.

[Hibi]

Speaking of Murder, She Wrote, I saw the Snow White, Blood Red episode yesterday. One of my favorites with a great twist at the end! Jessica snowed in at a ski lodge with a killer on the loose!

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0653616/

And it turned out to be an unedited version. Apparently when I saw it on other stations they cut most of the blood out on the second killing. I'd forgotten how grisly it originally was.

It's definitely the bluntest episode of the whole run of the show when it comes to violence. I am shocked in a way that the network actually allowed them to air it. (The other network showing Murder She Wrote last night was showing a later episode, The Dying Game, that had a nasty death scene though as well: death by crossbow with them actually showing the big arrow making the moment of impact in the victim's chest. )

Was that the one set in the department store??

[CinemaInternational]

Speaking of Murder, She Wrote, I saw the Snow White, Blood Red episode yesterday. One of my favorites with a great twist at the end! Jessica snowed in at a ski lodge with a killer on the loose!

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0653616/

And it turned out to be an unedited version. Apparently when I saw it on other stations they cut most of the blood out on the second killing. I'd forgotten how grisly it originally was.

It's definitely the bluntest episode of the whole run of the show when it comes to violence. I am shocked in a way that the network actually allowed them to air it. (The other network showing Murder She Wrote last night was showing a later episode, The Dying Game, that had a nasty death scene though as well: death by crossbow with them actually showing the big arrow making the moment of impact in the victim's chest. )

Was that the one set in the department store??

That's the one. With Kate Mulgrew playing an ambitious executive, but for once on the show, not guilty of murder.

[Hibi]

Well Hibi, maybe other edits were made.
With all the ads on Hallmark Mystery or Great American Family, a 47 minute show probably gets some reductions.
As for Holden and Diane, there are numerous big name shows I either haven't seen or don't like.
I barely know Seinfeld or Big Bang Theory.
Okay, The Simpsons too.

That's true. But I thought it was telling they edited out the most gruesome scene. (They left the scene in but cut the last part of it. Why edit out 5 seconds???)

[Hibi]

It's definitely the bluntest episode of the whole run of the show when it comes to violence. I am shocked in a way that the network actually allowed them to air it. (The other network showing Murder She Wrote last night was showing a later episode, The Dying Game, that had a nasty death scene though as well: death by crossbow with them actually showing the big arrow making the moment of impact in the victim's chest. )

Was that the one set in the department store??

That's the one. With Kate Mulgrew playing an ambitious executive, but for once on the show, not guilty of murder.

Yeah, I think that was the only episode she was in that she wasn't the killer!

[jimimac71]

The CinemaInternational post brings back great memories.
I went to school in St. Helena, CA.
I've been to the Falcon Crest winery.
My first experience with Jane Wyman was long before this thing called TCM.
She was one of many fine looking ladies on the show.
I seem to recall she got her way and ruled the roost.
Being twice CinemaInternational's age, I knew some shows when they were new.
Dallas was too strange with the whole Patrick Duffy thing.
Jessica Fletcher and Ben Matlock both knew who the guilty one was but dragged it out until almost the end.
Jessica would need help to prove it sometimes.
Ben waited to prove it in the courtroom.

[kingrat]

As for Holden and Diane, there are numerous big name shows I either haven't seen or don't like. I barely know Seinfeld or Big Bang Theory. Okay, The Simpsons too.

Another trifecta for me! Haven't seen any of those 3 either. Probably 'cause I mostly don't like sitcoms or animated stuff.

Same here, Diane. Never watched Big Bang Theory or The Simpsons. I've seen a few Seinfelds, enough, to use CinemaInternational's fine phrase, to get the lay of the land.

Have seen many of the classic sitcoms, not so much the recent ones. I did think the first two seasons of Superstore were hilarious.

[Lorna]

the ONLY things I recall about SEINFELD all these years later are the episodes and moments that revolve around ELAINE BENES, honestly, it was really HER show.

people talk about "THE SEINFELD CURSE" and I sometimes wonder if maybe they just didn't see the obvious truth right in front of them the whole time: JERRY SEINFELD and MICHAEL RICHARDS are terrible actors with no charisma, and while JASON ALEXANDER is good- he REALLY needs THE RIGHT PART.

But JULIA LOUIS-DREYFUSS just has it- looks, timing, a gift for physical comedy: SHE is THE SHOW.

also, she's a better dancer than RUBY KEELER.

(edit- tried to post a GIF of her yelling at KRISTIN SCOTT-THOMAS to "JUST DIE ALREADY" in THE ONE ABOUT THE ENGLISH PATIENT, but I guess they're all copyrighted.

[Lorna]

IT'S FUNNY, there were a lot of MALE-ORIENTED sitcoms in the 1990s where the LEAD ACTOR is by far the least memorable or gifted performer among the cast- it's everyone else carrying the water. (see also: HOME IMPROVEMENT, EVERYBODY LOVES RAYMOND or MAD ABOUT YOU)

EDIT- I hate all three of those shows, but my point still stands.

[Lorna]

Speaking of Murder, She Wrote, I saw the Snow White, Blood Red episode yesterday. One of my favorites with a great twist at the end! Jessica snowed in at a ski lodge with a killer on the loose!

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0653616/

And it turned out to be an unedited version. Apparently when I saw it on other stations they cut most of the blood out on the second killing. I'd forgotten how grisly it originally was.

1. I love that episode SO GD MUCH.

2. I REFUSE to watch any TV show on NETWORK TV because THEY EDIT THE LIVING HELL OUT OF EPISODES to make room for more ad space. One of the "good " things about STREAMING is that you can actually SEE the eps in their entirety, even though they have commercials, because they don't have to work with scheduling and time constraints. trying to watch THE GOLDEN GIRLS on lifetime is pointless as they RUIN PUNCHLINES, misplace MUSIC CUES and even cut important plot points, and they don't edit out the laugh track- so they'll just be sitting at the table and there is a HARD CUT and the audience is GUFFAWING and you know it's over a raunchy joke they cut.

3. network tv and news are dying, and frankly they deserve it- and the honest to God #1 culprit for this is ADVERTISING. I actually paid to get YOUTUBE PREMIUM with no commercials, so now when a news story breaks, I immediately go there because I know I won't have to sit through an APPLEBEE'S AD or one for FEMININE DRYNESS to find out whether something BIG has happened.